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Post by Gunman_sr5 on Jun 24, 2009 1:52:45 GMT -5
Here is the official discussion thread. If you haven't seen it don't go past this post unless you want spoilers.
I am going Sunday the way it sounds. So until then...
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Post by Wheeljack35 on Jun 24, 2009 14:57:49 GMT -5
Hell unfortunatly I won't be seeing it until a week after you
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Post by Devastator_2000 on Jun 28, 2009 9:57:45 GMT -5
I watched it Friday night when I got off work. IT had a few elements of humor early on that I could have done without, otherwise I really liked it. The movie was almost 2 1/2 hours long and had tons of action. It seems it left itself open for a 3rd movie, but I think that has been the plan from day one.
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Post by Admin on Jun 30, 2009 14:43:59 GMT -5
OOOO I loved it.. Umm had alot of words in it that im not sure we will take Kira to go see.. Shes 5 will be 6 in August and she picks up on sooo much.. I loved the Twins.. They were awesome.. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) I cant wait to see it again..
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Post by Destro on Jul 4, 2009 16:13:10 GMT -5
I really don't like saying this bc I went in w/ such high hopes, but..I thought ROTF was horrible. The action scenes were a good deal improved over the first film, but everything else was a good deal worse. The plot had more holes than plot, the whole film felt slapped together w/ little coherence, and the "jokes", the majority at least, were not funny, or were funny for a moment then dragged out far too long to maintain their humor.
I liked soundwave; his voice was great, but alas, he didn't get much screentime. I also enjoyed Alice, ravage, and 'bee (why did he lose his voice? I prefer the "radio speak", but it doesn't follow that he should lose his voice again).
Jetfire was an annoying, sad mcguffin and cliche. The twins were funny in spots, but overall were annoying.
Prime destroying decepticons was awesome, probably the best parts of the movie. Also, megatron getting a bit more characterization was great as well. The Fallen was a letdown, especially bc prime took him out w/ relative ease.
Jetfire's death was worse then jazz's as far as compassion for a character goes. He sacrifices himself, and we get a convoluted scene w/ jolt (who wasn't even named until that moment), as he helps jetfire's dead carcass combine w/ prime..and what does prime do as soon as he beats The Fallen? He wipes jetfire off him like it was dandruff on his shoulder!
I am quite disappointed w/ this film; I gave the first movie three out of four stars; I think I'm being a bit generous in giving this one two of four.
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Post by CkRtech on Jul 4, 2009 18:30:37 GMT -5
I thought this movie was a lot better than the first one. It was more entertaining, had more action & the dialog was much more balanced across the autobots/decepticons.
Knowing how much the original film sucked, I didn't go into this film expecting much. I probably wouldn't have bothered to see it except that some of my friends here in town wanted to see it. I got my hot dog, 48 oz coke, and Reese's Pieces...and was ready.
Look no further than the abomination known as "Armageddon" to realize that Michael Bay films don't really have anything resembling a plot. I threw that out immediately. The first Transformers film had no plot. The second one didn't have one either. Make no mistake - this was an action film in the traditional sense: Give the audience a lot of action and special fx & they will be happy.
I was entertained by this movie despite the fact it was 4 hours and 20 minutes long. Or was that just the climax? People were getting up and walking around during the film, and I don't blame them. It drug a bit. Still - It was entertaining. One view is enough - just like the first film.
Perhaps the first film was so bad that my expectations going into the second film were practically nil? I dunno.
Do I look forward to the third film? No. Will I see it? Probably.
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Post by Wheeljack35 on Jul 5, 2009 19:44:37 GMT -5
I seen it today
Can't Bay keep things right?
The constructcons were going after Sam while at the same time Devastator was climbing the pyramid
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Post by Destro on Jul 5, 2009 23:48:03 GMT -5
I seen it today Can't Bay keep things right? The constructcons were going after Sam while at the same time Devastator was climbing the pyramid I think they are two different sets; the vehicles that make up devastator are only vehicles, no robot modes (that's how hasbro explains why supreme dev's parts don't have bot modes), and then you have the "regular" non-combining constructicons that have two modes. Yeah..I don't like it either.
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Post by Raggletag on Jul 9, 2009 1:10:58 GMT -5
I saw both the normal and IMAX versions, and I wasn’t impressed with either. Nonsensical plot, dubious continuity, arbitrary use of TF terminology, some seriously out of place humor (humping dogs, a humping TF, and the mom eating a marijuana brownie?), varying CGI quality, sloppy disjointed action sequences, waaaay too much focus on the human characters and military, lack of character development/screen time for most of the TF characters (yet they gave the annoying “ghetto twins” a ton of screen time), Soundwave never leaves orbit or transforms to robot mode (and sounds like Dr Claw without the vocoder), and Devastator was a HUGE letdown. Also, did anyone believe for a second that Prime or Sam was dead for good? I didn’t even bother to feel sad for either of them because I knew they’d be back by the end. I still had a good(ish) time seeing the movie despite its numerous flaws, but I think the first movie was better. I give it 5 out of 10. I really want to like this movie more, but the bad parts outweigh the good parts by far, imo. I’d like to see someone else take up the writing and directing duties on the third movie, but seeing as how this movie is seriously raking in the bucks, we’re likely to get more of the same next time. I weep for the future. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/sad.png)
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Post by Wheeljack35 on Jul 9, 2009 20:01:58 GMT -5
I would like to see people like Simon Furmon or any of the Beast Wars,G1 or animated writers do something
Micheal Bay said he doesn't do Shakespeare he likes making popcorn movies
I agree with you on Devastator
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Post by Destro on Jul 10, 2009 0:13:15 GMT -5
And to think we lost Animated to this..makes me a little sad (I would love to see the animated writers get a shot at tf3; I realize of course that that's not gonna happen). But then, I suppose I can't argue w/ (financial) success; the film's making money hand over fist, and we are getting a new cartoon (in the fall, I believe), so I have hope that we'll see something interesting/hopefully really good in the near future.
I think one thing that made this movie at least watchable was Prime. He's a much stronger presence in this film, and that forest scene would have any decepticon thinking twice about going toe-to-toe w/ the autobot leader. It's war, and prime's "take no prisoners" attitude is appropriate.
Bay saying he's not shakespeare is avoiding the question; I don't think anyone's asking for The Merchant of Venice, but a film w/ some plot and character development would make his films infinitely more enjoyable. The lack thereof, along w/ the lame humor, nearly ruined this film for me. Honestly, it may be transformers, but I'm not sure I'll pick up a copy when it comes out on dvd, and I'll probably eventually get a copy of the new street fighter movie. Seriously, that's sad.
As far as the ROTF toys go, I haven't bought many (ravage and soundwave) and I haven't opened them yet, but overall they look pretty good. Not animated good, but pretty good.
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Post by CkRtech on Jul 10, 2009 1:20:34 GMT -5
I think one thing that made this movie at least watchable was Prime. He's a much stronger presence in this film, and that forest scene would have any decepticon thinking twice about going toe-to-toe w/ the autobot leader. It's war, and prime's "take no prisoners" attitude is appropriate. I think the Prime vs. Decepticons in the forest scene was one of my favorites. It was also one of the only scenes that used a decent wide angle shot of combat rather than the typical shaky, tumbling Transformer shot we were used to seeing. As far as Prime's character is concerned, I was immediately turned off by his well...execution of the large, wounded Decepticon early in the movie. The real Optimus Prime would never do that.
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Post by Destro on Jul 10, 2009 2:06:56 GMT -5
I think the Prime vs. Decepticons in the forest scene was one of my favorites. It was also one of the only scenes that used a decent wide angle shot of combat rather than the typical shaky, tumbling Transformer shot we were used to seeing. Yeah, it was the camera angles minus the "shaky cam" and the fluid motion of the bots that made it watchable and awesome. Eh, movie prime did it, and he's just as "real" a prime as any other prime. I think I did have the same misgivings as you at first, but then, what else could prime've done? They have no prisons, and that bot had undoubtedly killed countless humans already, and y'know, "war is hell" and all that; prime did what he had to do. I also think that it provides an interesting duality w/ megatron; will prime cross the line? has he? has the war cost him his "humanity", so to speak? Perhaps he's a little closer to megatron than he wants to be, or wants to admit to himself. Now I'm thinking too much about it, so I'll stop there.
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Post by Raggletag on Jul 10, 2009 11:37:14 GMT -5
As far as Prime's character is concerned, I was immediately turned off by his well...execution of the large, wounded Decepticon early in the movie. The real Optimus Prime would never do that. I'm 100% with you this, Chris. The think the whole "Any last words, Decepticon?" followed by the execution was completely out of character for Prime. As were some of his more overzealous lines like "Give me your face!!". I can't imagine Peter Cullen was very happy about that. I have no problem with Prime killing Decepticons in the heat of battle (the fight with Bonecrusher from the first movie is a perfect example). But when a Decepticon is clearly defeated and is an inch from its life ending, I would think Prime would have more compassion. True in the original '86 movie he was about to finish off Megatron, but the the difference was that Megatron was still a threat. Not to mention that this war had been going on for millions of years and the Autobot City battle was possibly the straw that broke the camel's back. In the end it all boils down to degree. Oh, and my favorite battle scene in the movie was probably still the Shanghai battle. Not for the afformentioned ending, but for the cool opening build-up and slick night time setting. I honestly wasn't that wowed by the forest battle.
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Post by Wheeljack35 on Jul 10, 2009 22:02:20 GMT -5
Ok Where would of Prime have kept a Decepticon of that size?Imagine the NEST team trying to lug back a live Decepticon the size of a building?
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Post by Raggletag on Jul 10, 2009 23:43:49 GMT -5
Ok Where would of Prime have kept a Decepticon of that size?Imagine the NEST team trying to lug back a live Decepticon the size of a building? That's NMP. Not my problem. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) Couldn't they just do with him what was done with the pre-Combaticons in the cartoon, where they stored their minds/personalities in a prison and destroyed their bodies? Really though, it's not really the killing of the Decepticon that bothered me THAT much, it was more Prime's nonchalant attitude that rubbed me the wrong way.
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Post by Destro on Jul 11, 2009 1:50:26 GMT -5
I simply view it as a different take on the prime character; he's sick and tired of war, he wants it to end, and on top of that the decepticons are targeting another race of beings, a race that is fair inferior to tf's (at least w/o weapons), and..well, prime's pissed off. Can you blame him? Not to mention there're no prisons that could hold a 3-story robot, as wheeljack pointed out.
I'm not saying g1 prime would do this, or that bw/bm primal or animated prime would either, but..this is a different prime. This prime seems to be becoming something of an anti-hero that's so popular nowadays (wolverine being the prime [lol, pun] example). It works to an extent, and even if it isn't exactly original, it is somewhat original as far as tf's go.
I would like to see prime fighting w/ his "dark side" in the third film, questioning his violent tendancies, wondering if he's becoming what he abhors, and if it's counterproductive to the autobot cause, but I don't see the writers going anywhere that indepth into a character.
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Post by CkRtech on Jul 11, 2009 5:06:51 GMT -5
No. Prime stands for the perfect hero in the minds of many. They really blew it with this one.
But then this is Michael Bay...and I don't really take any of his work seriously, so I am not sure why I am upset by this. I guess it's just how far off from the basics this dude really is. No clue.
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Post by Destro on Jul 11, 2009 9:14:34 GMT -5
No. Prime stands for the perfect hero in the minds of many. They really blew it with this one. Yes, in the minds of many, but certainly not in the minds of all. I mean, there's a thread at the allspark discussing how "bad&$$" this prime is, and many think it's awesome. I do too, to an extent. For the most part, I don't like the "perfect hero"; it's unrealistic, and a bit boring. G1 Prime is the only prime I'd consider the "perfect hero"; the rest are flawed in some way or another, and while I like g1 prime and his virtue and heroism, it's not the best way to create a compelling character or story.
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Post by Wheeljack35 on Jul 11, 2009 14:19:07 GMT -5
Ok Where would of Prime have kept a Decepticon of that size?Imagine the NEST team trying to lug back a live Decepticon the size of a building? That's NMP. Not my problem. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) Couldn't they just do with him what was done with the pre-Combaticons in the cartoon, where they stored their minds/personalities in a prison and destroyed their bodies? Really though, it's not really the killing of the Decepticon that bothered me THAT much, it was more Prime's nonchalant attitude that rubbed me the wrong way. Well thats different because of the sparks..It would be like a lobotomy The body would be alive and no one would be at home
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