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Post by Wheeljack35 on May 18, 2008 10:13:43 GMT -5
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Post by Destro on May 19, 2008 16:37:07 GMT -5
This is the first episode of Animated that I didn't like; the constructicons/bots were too generic to be interesting, a lot of the animation was pretty bad, and the storyline seemed quite..discombobulated. Megatron was awesome, though. I don't like seeing lugnut and bw downgraded to grunts; maybe Megs could build some worker bots for the low-end jobs (or just get the constructicons to do it). Why can't some of the autobots accept other robots? Ratchet told Wreckgar that he'd "never be an autobot", and was rude from the get-go (you would think that after wreckgar, ratchet would at least attempt to be more gracious and accepting of other bots), Prime and co. (other than bulkhead) don't even make an attempt to understand the constructicons (or explain why they don't like Megs). If Sari has her hair back in the next ep, I'm gonna be upset. Hopefully the constructicons will grow into more interesting characters, especially since the autobots ran them off; now they have a real reason to dislike one side, and can now feel free to help Megs w/ space bridges.
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Post by Wheeljack35 on May 19, 2008 17:38:32 GMT -5
Megatron has onlt two decepticons with him ....Who did you think he was going to do the work?
And I think these Constructicons were great they remond me of the Dinobots and how they speak like cavemen
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Post by Jo'Roq on May 19, 2008 18:09:42 GMT -5
The Constructicons were extremely disappointing. Especially since they are the first NON green and purple construction vehicles on the show that I can recall. The personalities were very generic and showed almost no growth whatsoever.
Overall, the story was rather weak and had no real purpose in it than to say "Hey! We have the Cosntructicons again! They're absolutely nothing like the originals!"
This was definitely the low point of the series so far.
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Post by Jo'Roq on May 19, 2008 18:16:43 GMT -5
Why can't some of the autobots accept other robots? 1. The Dinobots wanted to destroy them (and still mostly want to). 2. Wreckgar was ADHD and unpredictable. 3. The Constructicons were crude, rude, and irresponsible. Not really much to recommend the Earth-born bots, especially when there are already the Decepticons to worry about.
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Post by Destro on May 19, 2008 18:35:46 GMT -5
The autobots rejected wreckgar and the constructicons before even knowing anything about them; so the constructicons are rough around the edges, you don't just send them on their way, especially when megatron would be more then willing to make pawns of them. Doesn't seem very "autobot-like" to me, at least in the traditional sense. These autobots seem a bit snobby at times; maybe that's the academy/elite guard rubbing off on them.
I think when introducing new, old characters, it's tough to balance them between being different from the original, and also being an homage. It doesn't bother me that they're not much like the originals, since they didn't have much personality either; hopefully mix and scrapper will develop over time.
They sounded like stereotypical construction workers to me(didn't think I'd live to see the day we'd have tfs w/ "plumber's crack")..
On the postive side, this is the first ep out of 22 that I didn't like; even the eps that were only ok had some redeeming value. I can forgive this lapse as long as they don't make a habit of it.
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Post by Jo'Roq on May 19, 2008 20:39:12 GMT -5
I find it very believable that the Autobots were not prone to welcome Wreckgar and the Constructicons.
- These aren't the noble Autobots fighting a desperate battle to save their world and the universe. This is an envisioning of Autobots who are so settled in Peace that the thought of returning to War is beyond belief until it is forced upon them. Prime and the others are trying to do the right thing, but have to overcome their own personal issues and trials to learn how to do it.
- The Dinobots were a very bad first impression of non-Cybertronian TFs. They tried to make friends and had it thrown in their faces.
- After the battle with Megatron, the Autobots were not well liked. Being shunned for an extended period turned the group to only trust each other.
- The Elite Guard just made the entire situation worse, especially with not believing Prime's reports.
- Wreckgar caused as much trouble as he helped fix, making him an irritant to the group from the start. Irritating an already suspicious group does not lend itself to making friends.
- The Constructicons were rude and only interested in having a good time, not in making friends or joining the cause. They pushed buttons right from the start just by being themselves, and even Bulkhead was hesitant at first to participate. Would you want to make friends with a pair of guys who came into your house late at night and tried to throw a wild party?
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Post by Wheeljack35 on May 19, 2008 20:47:10 GMT -5
I liked this episode I liked that the contrcticons were different even as I said like Construction workers like the Dinobots act like cavemen
I find nothing wronng with this episode
At least it wasn't as boring as Velocity was
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Post by Destro on May 19, 2008 21:34:25 GMT -5
If the autobots are so concerned w/ peace, why didn't they act peaceful and understanding w/ wreckgar or the constructicons, knowing that both had just come online? I do agree w/ you to an extent, but I think that since the autobots knew these bots had just come online and were confused and also ignorant of the autobot/decepticon situation, they would be more open to helping them out, and possibly getting new allies. I'm not saying that that'd be the way it would work out in the end, but it was at least an option; rejecting these bots outright was like tossing them into Megatron's waiting arms to be exploited.
As for the dinobots; remember what Optimus wanted to do w/ them; he wanted them killed. That does make sense if they were real criminals, but they aren't; they're powerful creatures w/ limited intelligence. That'd be like killing almost any carnivore bc of their violent behavior; it's not their fault, it's their "programming". Also, the first intelligent being they talked to was Megatron, and, slick talker that he is, convinced them that "car robots are bad." Not surprising that they acted against Prime and co., and Optimus' reaction was a bit overboard imo; at least prowl and bulkhead were able to save them. The dinobots did help them later against Rhodes and the "pretenders" so they did do something good for the 'bots.
As far as kicking them out bc of the party, I think that just didn't, and maybe couldn't have gone well at all. Again, they just came online and just wanted to have fun. It'd be another thing if they were established, mature bots just acting out; they weren't. They were "newborns" in a sense, and needed guidance and protection, not rejection.
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Post by Jo'Roq on May 19, 2008 23:13:48 GMT -5
I'm not saying that the Autobots were correct, just that the characterizations are accurate and believable to me.
Remember, except for Ratchet this group of Autobots has never known War. The Decepticons were either gone forever or just legends. Their society is built around Peace because that is all they have known. Theirs is not a "peaceful" existence, just one built around a nebulous concept of "Peace". Without having known War they have no comparison by which to judge Peace, and hence have splintered into internal associations and factions.
Having been thrust into the front lines of War, Optimus and his group have had to make the hard decision to "go against their programming" and actually fight for what they believe - something that has not yet become fully concrete to them yet. They are at the point of a fanatic's view of "us vs. them", of "good vs. evil", and so approach every new event with the question "Are you with us or against us?" They feel the pressure of needing to win and of needing to prove themselves to the Elite Guard and Cybertron, and are then rushing to judgements.
As for Ratchet, he's the grizzled old veteran now set in his ways. Having survived the last War, that experience tints his view of the world with the need to identify everything with one side or the other in order to survive. This is reinforcing the inexperience and naivete of the others.
As was shown with Wreckgar they are capable of overcoming their pre-judgements, but they have not yet built up the experience and foundation of principle to be able to step outside that first impression before it is made and take an honest, selfless evaluation of the events and personalities involved.
On a side note, how geeky is it that we're debating this in depth about an animated series?
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Post by Destro on May 20, 2008 0:52:57 GMT -5
I'm not saying that the Autobots were correct, just that the characterizations are accurate and believable to me. I see; I can agree w/ that. I like that in this series the good guys aren't flawless; they do make mistakes, but they often learn from them. Yea, but isn't it great that we finally have a tf cartoon where we can have such geeky debates? If the show wasn't good, we wouldn't waste our time.
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Post by Wheeljack35 on May 20, 2008 11:40:25 GMT -5
True that there was no discussiond over the recent anime crap versions we had to deal with
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