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Post by Devastator_2000 on May 3, 2005 10:57:26 GMT -5
Has anyone else watched the Enterprise 2 part series about the mirror universe? If so, what did you think of it?
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Post by Starfilly on May 6, 2005 21:09:11 GMT -5
My dad and I watched them (I got my Trekkie genes from him and we always watch Trek together). We really liked all the different things from the original series (T'Pol in the miniskirt got a lot of laughs). It kind of seemed like they were purposely trying to play it as over the top as possible...which fit perfectly with the evil mirror universe. It was a rather fun two-parter to watch, but not a whole lot of really deep storylines there. I did think it was a neat twist at the end though, hehe.
One thing that kind of bugs me is that Enterprise isn't always very...family friendly...anymore. It seems like it's had both more violence and things of a sexual nature recently. That was the main thing I didn't like about this two-parter, it had an awful lot of both. Star Trek has usually been pretty morally upright, and I don't like that they're losing that.
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Post by CkRtech on May 7, 2005 0:16:33 GMT -5
It's interesting that you mention that Starfilly. I am considering picking up some episodes of season 4 of Enterprise and watching them. I didn't see....well...almost anything of season 3, however I hear that 4 has been pretty good. (Heard it from most of you here, including ElvisAaronBU - a good friend of mine who rarely posts) But in any case, back to your point about violence and sex. There is so much irony involved, it is almost funny. I read Gene Roddenberry's autobiography, and it pretty much says flat out that he tried to tie sex into just about as many places as it would fit in Star Trek. Of course, this had to be done under the censors of the time...so it wasn't much. However, look at how a lot of the female characters are dressed on the original series. It also didn't take too long to get "Evil Kirk" and Yeoman Rand involved in a little incident. It may have not always been super blatant, but it was there & it was there often. I think TNG didn't see it as much (well....past their The Naked Now episode at least) However Gene was under a lot of stress during that time & wouldn't last but a few seasons into the 7 year run of the coolest show ever made. (ahem...<wink> <wink> ) Creativity control, writing and all the rest have been over quite a roller coaster since the beginning of DS9, through Voyager & up to the ending point of Enterprise. Enterprise was obviously designed to try to get a larger Star Trek audience. Why? It already had a cult following, and TNG brought on even more casual viewers. (You would not believe the amount of people who would tell me circa 1993 - "Yeah...I am NOT a Trekkie....but I do watch TNG.") Good stuff. Now you have Enterprise today where Jolene Blalock has apparently made her opinion very well known regarding how the writers are looking for outs (or what I call "excuse me"s) to help them push a sorry episode across the board. These outs rely on what most of the other shows today rely on - sex & violence. Star Trek used to be a refuge from too much of this. True, battles would be waged - but it was done in good taste. Another TNG point to make is this - TNG took the "family cheese" which was present in many eighties shows (remember - TNG *Was* an eighties show!) & pushed it into maturity in the 90s. I really loved it. Meanwhile, most everything else went action ballistic with the introduction of digital effects. "What can we blow up?" was the answer. Sex always sold & the local TV censors are much lower than ever before. You see all the stuff on cable all the time, and now network TV said "ahhh screw it" because "most people have cable anyway." So to sum it up - despite the fact that Star Trek started with the sexual themes, it eventually lost it & became somewhat of an escape for those with morals as other shows went bad, and then came full-circle & right up with the current times with the suggestive themes found in Enterprise. Amazing. It is just like Joroq pointed out to me regarding the Superbowl - you have an incident like you did with Janet Jackson & you turn your head and find Paul McCartney to get things back on track. A man who...in another era was part of that crazy, corruptive Beatles band! The more things change......well you know the rest. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by Jo'Roq on May 7, 2005 8:53:16 GMT -5
While TNG and DS9 did have their less than family friendly moments (especially later in DS9 after Worf and Dax got together), it was usually handled well.
Enterprise, however, was planned from the beginning to try to attract the Dawson's Creek audience - this is from an early interview with (shudder) Brannon Braga. They did not WANT the traditional Star Trek audience, which is why Enterprise kept turning storylines into soap operas and the main reason why I stopped watching despite an excellent cast.
If this hadn't been "Star Trek" (remember, at first they kept Star Trek out of the show title, and only put it in after realizing that they were marked anyway), I think Enterprise might have been a successful show. The writers (and especially Braga) just could not handle trying to attract a new audience while "building" the pre-cursors to the classic and TNG elements (and botching that, I might add).
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Post by Devastator_2000 on May 8, 2005 21:59:00 GMT -5
Wow, I had no idea that they did not want the traditional star trek fan base. That explains why much of season 1 and all but the last episode or two of season 2 stunk so bad.
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