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Post by StrykerX2K on Aug 21, 2004 18:35:09 GMT -5
It starts at 730p tonight CT....and replays around 4pm CT tomorrow...
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Post by StrykerX2K on Aug 21, 2004 20:29:11 GMT -5
OK, so I am totally biased toward this episode. I love Hawk & Dove and Wonder Woman, so teaming them up just made it that much better for me. I loved the episode, because I always like any stroy line that involves the Themiscyrian (sp?) gods. Ares is a great WW foe...he plays a major part in the comic, itself. I love an edgier WW. I like the Darker side. Don and Hank were great in this episode. As a team they are exceptional as far as personalty balance goes. The fact that WW learns something about herself in this episdoe makes it a great character developer.
So even though we have special guest heroes, they are continuing to develop the core group. I definitely like this format better than just the focus on the main team.
Has anyone noticed in the opening credits that they integrate clips from that episode instead of running the same generic opener everytime? Nice touch imo....
I love that they also said WW's armor has it's weaknesses too...aluding to a possible exploitation of that in a future ep...overall good ep!
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Post by CkRtech on Aug 22, 2004 17:20:19 GMT -5
I didn't really like this episode. I thought it was kinda bland.
My main complaint is the villian Aries & his contraption. (which sounds like it was built by Ed Asner) I never really got the feeling that the threat was really that big. Sure, the team has problems when fighting it and had to figure it out - but there just wasn't a sign of danger.
I think a weakness in the writing is that the people who were fighting each other were never really given a lot of background to make us (the audience) like them. In past episodes of Justice League, either the people in danger were familiar to us (the "locals" of the city we see the League run around in), or they were introduced and given some small tie to the main characters of the show. Mother and child, kid, something (in typical comic fashion) caused us to feel sorry for the characters when bad things happened.
In this case, there were two fighting factions of people that <yawn> we didn't care if either side won or lost.
I like the back and forth brotherly smack talk that went on between Hawk and Dove - there could have been more though. Also - the "I try to take a day off...." line from Wonder Woman was cool.
That said - They need to get Wonder Woman out of the show for a bit. Same thing goes for Batman and Superman. (Although with Zatanna being in the next episode, this is obviously not going to happen)
If they do episodes with just the originals - awesome. Leads for stories with great character development. If they want to use an anchor (season 1 and 2) character & bring in other characters, cool....but keep the anchor out of the main picture. Wonder Woman was too much the front-runner in this episode & needed more of a background role. Green Lantern had a little bit more of an acceptable role in the first episode of JLU because he was put out of commission.
All the same, they need to have episodes where they drop the big three characters out of the picture if they want to focus on the new members. Of course, they probably have to struggle to do single part, 30 minute episodes.
I don't really like the new format. I think it is choking off the writers' creativity.
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Post by Jo'Roq on Aug 24, 2004 23:03:27 GMT -5
Not really a great episode - blatantly ripped off from the current Iraq debate. Hawk and Dove were pretty good characters, but little was really developed about them. I have to concur with Ck - there was no real draw to the episode. The only really good part was the revelation that WW's armor has a weakness.
Ares and Hephasteus kinda dropped out of nowhere (and Stryker, just make it easy - they and the Amazons are all ancient Greek), though the prior use of Hades did open that door. One thing I found missing was WW praying to Hera .....
I really didn't like this version of Ares - too eager for mindless war and death. I much prefer the old Hercules/Xena take (even with as comical as he became later), because he was less mindless (though he never turned down a good battle) and seemed to have actual plans for where and when he started a war.
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Post by StrykerX2K on Aug 24, 2004 23:37:27 GMT -5
Ares is like that in the comic, also. I didn't like the way they made his character look...like the blond golden boy...not really becoming of the name Ares they should have an animated version of him in his full armor...I reallize his human form was necessary in this episode, but in the least he should have had dark air...nit picky...yes, but would have been more accurate, you really have to read the comic to understand his character...this should have been a two parter....every episode with new characters is not going to be an "origin" episode, so they are assuming people know history of how some of these figures came about in the DC Universe....what they are neglecting to remember is that most of the people watching this (the target kid market) has no idea about characters like Hawk & Dove and realistically Wonder Woman either, other than what they have seen in the previous 2 Seasons. They are not wasting time on character development for the secondary characters. For me that is great, because I read most of the DC Universe comics, but for people who just watch this....probably doesn't appeal, because they have no idea why Hawk & Dove have their powers and how they got them....They need to do a DC Comics Presents: Secret Origins of...
I think that would be cool, even to get more background on how some of the main team came to be...like their roots...that is ultimately what I would love to see.
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Post by Alter_Ego on Aug 25, 2004 13:05:35 GMT -5
I watched this ep with Jo'Roq, and looking at it from an "outsider's" perspective there wasn't anything in the episode that would make me want to try to watch the show again the next week if this had been my first time to watch...
Translation: There wasn't a viewer 'catch' to draw people in. I felt like the entire episode was rushed and they skimmed over a lot of important details. To me it was like reading the cliff's notes version without ever going back and reading the original.
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Post by StrykerX2K on Aug 25, 2004 15:17:17 GMT -5
Exactly....these are not character development episodes for the secondary characters....they are still supporting the main cast and expecting the people who watched these to have previos knowledge of the secondary characters for other sources, such as the comics......I loved it, because I amseeing it from that stand point...although an hour long episode would have been better. THey needed to develop the main story instead of just saying it was an existing war...there were other avenues to pursue this. I like a mix of things, but Ck maybe right about this choking the creativity of the writers...20 min eps don't give you much time for anything..which is sad...
...and yes I know they are greek gods, but for the purposes of the cartoon, I used Themyscirian gods, because I couldn't remember whether they were Greek or Roman gods......Themyscirian was generic enough...in the comic they are Greek, but like I said...I couldn't remember when I posted....
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Post by Jo'Roq on Aug 25, 2004 19:28:45 GMT -5
The easy way to remember is that the Roman names (since the Romans ripped off the greek pantheon) are the namesakes of the planets and constellations. The Greek names are generally the more familiar ones when actually applied to a deity character.
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Post by StrykerX2K on Aug 25, 2004 20:13:21 GMT -5
I always get them comfused...I had trouble with them in school, also... ![](http://img8.photobucket.com/albums/v28/gunman_sr5/4_2_3.gif)
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