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Post by Destro on Mar 31, 2007 20:29:59 GMT -5
I don't understand why our opinions bother you, Destro. I can see how you can strongly disagree - like we always have - but "feel free to join us in the 21st century?" Gimme a break. How about this one - feel free to respect my opinion and let me rant on and on and on about how much I dislike the decisions they have made for this film. I have no problem w/ opinions, but acting like the movie makers are screwing you over is something different entirely. I loved g1, I still do, but the thing is, it's over and done with, a thing of the past. Sure we get some updated toys and such, but that's all secondary to the main tf line (cybertron, heroes) and the new movie (a new direction, new beginning etc.). To be honest, I think all the official fan board has done is give murphy, bay, etc., the idea that many of us are self-centered jerks..maybe it got us cullen, maybe not, but I don't think we're looking to good to the movie makers bc of it. Now you're making assumptions about people's opinions; you can have yours, let them have theirs. I think I answered this already, but I don't feel like I'm bringing bad attitude; I just don't think it's fair to judge this movie by unfair standards. What about us that think this movie is the way it should be done? You act like the only people getting heat is those that don't like the movie; believe me, those of us that like it aren't having a picnic either.
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Post by Raggletag on Mar 31, 2007 20:31:20 GMT -5
Guess I should at least say I am still allive here. lol So far I have absolutely no complaints with the direction the movie took. So I realy have no coment on this. Running to hide before the G1 guys get back to throw stuff at me. Uh... I think it's the other way around. It's usually the pro-movie guys that cast the stones at us naysayers first. Sticking up for ourselves sure isn't a crime.
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Post by Destro on Mar 31, 2007 20:32:56 GMT -5
Uhh..wow. Talk about reading into things that simply aren't there..I'm talking about toys and a movie here, not a lifestyle..
I answered the rest of..that in my previous post. You can like whatever you want, but acting like a toy company owes you something doesn't fly.
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Post by Raggletag on Mar 31, 2007 20:54:59 GMT -5
Uhh..wow. Talk about reading into things that simply aren't there..I'm talking about toys and a movie here, not a lifestyle.. I answered the rest of..that in my previous post. You can like whatever you want, but acting like a toy company owes you something doesn't fly. Okay, you weren't talking about lifestyles in general here... so why the derogatory remark about joining you in the 21st century then? Because some of us don't shove things we once liked into the corner whenever something newer comes along? There's a reason that the term "classic" exists. It means something can be old, but it can still hold up well even by today's standards. In my OPINION, G1 is such a thing. If you want to be intolerant about that, then you have a whole lot of growing up to do. I don't think any of our original comments in this thread were all that inflammatory or bad, but you felt the need to tear into us anyway. It says volumes about your character. And where are you getting this notion that I feel Hasbro owes me ANYTHING? So if I bitch about a movie because I'm not happy about the direction, it's all about me me me? You're delusional. It's called sharing my thoughts and opinions on a matter. This is what message boards like this are about. If I'm not attacking someone else's opinion in the process, then what's the friggin' problem? We can't all be Pollyannas...
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Post by CkRtech on Mar 31, 2007 21:11:49 GMT -5
I just don't think it's fair to judge this movie by unfair standards. What about us that think this movie is the way it should be done? You act like the only people getting heat is those that don't like the movie; believe me, those of us that like it aren't having a picnic either. Tough. So what if you think it isn't fair to judge it by unfair standards? So what? The point is I'm allowed to judge it how I want - I don't care if you disagree or agree with me. To go ahead and point blame like a typical child, I'll put it this way - "you people started it." 1: They gave some press releases about the movie 2: Some people liked it and praised it (group A) 3: Others didn't like it - some of whom made comparisons to G1. (Group B) It was at this point that group A started bashing group B for wanting it to be G1 - kinda like how you have done with your 21st century blasts just now. It's perfectly human for group B to get defensive about what they believe in. You know, the Jews were persecuted for their beliefs. Thankfully, there have been no deaths associated with this film (at least...not that I know of). If you want to disagree - fine. If you want to point out what you like about the film and point out how it is a positive evolution in the world of transformers - fine But don't jump in and start insulting people saying that they are living in the past because they really like G1. Let them have their opinion. If I say I think the designs look horrible, that they should have cast Welker, and I think the movie is going to suck - that's fine. If you come in and say to move to the 21st century....that's not fine. Now if you wanted to come in and say that the 80s designed are dated, the voices need a change, etc (which you did do a bit in that same "Return of the Destro" post) - that's fine. We'll just butt heads and move on. ---- But step aside for a second - you haven't been here awhile, you come back and essentially insult most everyone in the current discussion - what sort of response did you expect? I missed the conflict - I posted something to that nature in another forum (regarding your absence) but dude - it's like you came back to pick a fight rather than start a debate. We usually don't truly "go at it full on" until at least page 3!
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Post by Destro on Mar 31, 2007 21:20:21 GMT -5
Okay, you weren't talking about lifestyles in general here... so why the derogatory remark about joining you in the 21st century then? Because some of us don't shove things we once liked into the corner whenever something newer comes along? There's a reason that the term "classic" exists. It means something can be old, but it can still hold up well even by today's standards. In my OPINION, G1 is such a thing. If you want to be intolerant about that, then you have a whole lot of growing up to do. I don't think any of our original comments in this thread were all that inflammatory or bad, but you felt the need to tear into us anyway. It says volumes about your character. ..not sure where you're going w/ that, or came up w/ it for that matter..but, let's put it this way; I agree that g1 is great, a fun cartoon w/ toys to go w/ it. But the thing is, it's not 1986 anymore. Sure you can still have fun w/ it, but to expect it to continue or be reborn is asking for something that won't, and really, can't, happen. I'm not intolerant of people who like g1; I've mentioned numerous time that I like g1, but I want something new. The idea that this movie has to be some kind of g1 redux, that's what I'm taking about. Would you prefer that? If you would, that's fine, but acting like hasbro owes that to anyone is what I'm talking about (and that comment isn't really directed at you). Let me say that the "21st Century" line was out of line, and I apologize for that. The point I was trying to make was that g1 is gone and isn't coming back; it's time to look to the future, not the past. I realize that for many g1 was the epitome of what tf is about, but its run its course, a good one at that, but time..well, you know how that goes. As disturbing as it may sound to some, in 20 years there may be tf fans complaining about how the new line and toon isn't as good as cybertron. ..and don't presume to make disparaging remarks about my character; I never meant to insult anyone, I simply don't see the point in dwelling on a toon and toyline that isn't coming back and isn't the direction hasbro or this movie are or will be taking.
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Post by Destro on Mar 31, 2007 21:29:20 GMT -5
So what if you think it isn't fair to judge it by unfair standards? So what? The point is I'm allowed to judge it how I want - I don't care if you disagree or agree with me. To go ahead and point blame like a typical child, I'll put it this way - "you people started it." 1: They gave some press releases about the movie 2: Some people liked it and praised it (group A) 3: Others didn't like it - some of whom made comparisons to G1. (Group B) It was at this point that group A started bashing group B for wanting it to be G1 - kinda like how you have done with your 21st century blasts just now. It's perfectly human for group B to get defensive about what they believe in. I would say it was more like groups A and B started bashing each other; neither side has been w/o criticism.. I didn't come in here looking to start an insult-fest; I came back bc I had something to say, which I've said. You can judge things they way you see them, and I'll judge them as I see them.
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Post by CkRtech on Mar 31, 2007 21:37:25 GMT -5
Okay will judge the things you want or do not want to see in the film - don't judge the people.
You apologized for the 21st century line - so that's cool with me. Let's move on.
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Post by s.marlinfan on Mar 31, 2007 21:57:44 GMT -5
Things around here are getting good now. Energon Station is back and in full swing.
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Post by Devastator_2000 on Mar 31, 2007 22:00:38 GMT -5
I could care less about what direction they take the movie in. That is not what I am upset about. I just don't care for the "spit in the face of the fans" attitude that comes down from those involved.
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Post by s.marlinfan on Mar 31, 2007 22:04:42 GMT -5
I could care less about what direction they take the movie in. That is not what I am upset about. I just don't care for the "spit in the face of the fans" attitude that comes down from those involved. Ditto to that Devy2K. If it were not for the fandom keeping the franchise alive for the past 20+ years. The folks making this movie would not be making the big checks they are cashing right now.
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Post by Darthfather2005 on Apr 1, 2007 8:41:49 GMT -5
Okay I'm going to sound like a politician here. I agree with both sides of the coin.
G1 Fans- which I am one- I love G1, it was great. I was never a big Megatron Fan, I did not think his character, or voice was all that great. Compared to Prime, Starscream, and Jazz, the voice of Megatron was something to be desired IMOP. I though Galvatron had much more personality and depth to his character- that MoFo was crazy.
However...there is no need to be rude to the G1 fans. They are the heart and soul of the transformers community.
On the Flip side, the movie makers have a difficult task. They have to please all generations of fans, from all walks of life. They have to make a movie that will appeal to the "Joe Six-pack" as well as the hardcore G1 Fan. I would not want that task.
I think the fact that they used Cullen for Primes voice was a perfect move for them. He did a wonderful job as Optimus Prime, and the G1 fans will go see the movie just to hear him do the voice. Come one, when I heard this, it was enough for me to want to see this movie, no matter who or what else was in it. And i think casual movie goers will like him as well.
For the non G1 Fan Movie goer, having the "elf dude" from LOTR and Agent Smith from the Matrix was a good move for them as well. You will get fans from other movies that will want to see it.
Same with the kid from Even Stevens, alot of "teenyboppers" will go see the movie to see him in it.
So in a nut shell the movie makers are doing what they need to do, to please everyone they can, and still make a decent movie.
But I'll say it again; they don't have to be rude to the G1 Fans, that is not cool.
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Post by Devastator_2000 on Apr 1, 2007 12:56:50 GMT -5
Well said DF. "they don't have to be rude to the G1 Fans" that is my only problem. I really want to support the movie, no matter what direction they take it in. And I know that they cant cater to every G1 fan wish. Just explain what you are doing without insulting the fans.
EDIT: left out a word l0l
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Post by Destro on Apr 1, 2007 13:32:06 GMT -5
I agree DF; it's a hard balancing act at times to make g1 fans happy while also bringing in a new audience. I think it's been well established that bay is a jerk (and I myself could've been nicer in this thread, my apologies again for that), but hopefully his movie will be..well, better received than his personality. I will say that I don't think g1 fans are the heart and soul of transformers (at least not exclusively); I don't think that's fair to later fans who grew up w/ bw, armada, or what have you. They're just as a big of fans and care about this property just as much. Sure us old timers were here first, but tfs is still around bc of bw, armada, etc.
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Post by CkRtech on Apr 1, 2007 14:01:36 GMT -5
Regardless of what direction the movie seems to be going & what I think of it, I'll say this -
I am still definitely going to go see it & I still hope that I like it.
The fact that all of us here can be so passionate about something like this is something that I value. If we didn't care, we wouldn't argue. I hope we all see it and enjoy it when everything is said and done.
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