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Post by Destro on Sept 16, 2006 21:57:32 GMT -5
For the cartoon and toys, yes. They are the target audience. For a movie like this one, the violence content isn't going to be meant for an eight-year-old. It's going to be meant for adults. I agree to an extent, but hasbro is also hoping kids will buy the movie toys, and they (the kids) won't want them if they don't watch the movie. There are plenty of kids who are allowed to watch pg-13 movies. As you point out it didn't seem like many people watched g2, and as meta mentioned, bw is his g1 and he's in his early twenties so I would think that many people of that age group are more familiar w/ bw. It could be 50/50 though, who can really tell? And about the toys; I wasn't referring to that. You said: That's what I was referring to; g1 toys don't seem very popular to me. I don't really understand your point about having money to spend on g1... What do you have against reissues? Couldn't they just as easily say "hey there was the friendly yellow robot and scary alien robots"? That's not fair; the only lyrics in bw was the repeating of the word "beast wars." Eh, I really don't know the answer to that..could be a solid percentage, could be relatively few. Who knows. Even if the movie wasn't g1, that could still help the movie bc it's still transformers, g1 or not. Yea, to an extent, but it is of course not as big as star wars, batman..maybe on par w/ ninja turtles perhaps..I really don't know. My point is that it's not as big as other cartoon characters so there's more to work w/ as far as going in new directions is concerned. Since there are so many different versions of tf's, changes can be made w/o as much difficulty as a bigger-name pop cult icon, like superman or star wars.
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Post by metafeather on Sept 16, 2006 22:18:45 GMT -5
i just want to say as one of the Bw Generation that most people my age who talk to me about transformers remember things but not details like Destro said. Personally i think most 10 year olds(especially in 1996) still watched cartoons, thus my generation remembers BW way more than the g2 reruns they watched when they were 5, this is my personally experience(you wouldn't believe how many people talk to you about transformers when you have giant decepticon stickers on the sides of your car). So just from my experience the target movie crowd will remember optimus and megatron but it wont matter to them what they freaking look like
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Post by Jo'Roq on Sept 16, 2006 23:12:06 GMT -5
One thing about the toys, Destro - they'll come out about 2-3 months BEFORE the movie. Kids will want the toys because they are toys, nto because they've seen the movie. The toys are meant to get people into the theaters.
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Post by Raggletag on Sept 18, 2006 1:07:44 GMT -5
The more G1 they make it, the more successful it will be. The G1 crowd is in the thick of the "money spending" age. Hence - the reason that G1 toys can be so popular as well as cost so much. The toys wouldn't go for so much if people weren't interested. This is a smaller scale of the total crowd of people out there who saw the original cartoon. The smaller sample being the people who are still fans of the toys and want to collect them. If any random person out there - non-toy collector and not a "Transformer fan of today" - knows something about Transformers, they are most likely going to know something about G1. They could totally make the cartoon into a movie, and it would work. (We have had that discussion before) They aren't going to do it, but they are going to borrow a LOT from G1. I believe that the movie would be incredibly successful if it were pure G1 - I would actually bet you money on it. I'm with you 100%, Chris! This could be the greatest movie ever made if they just turned the More Than Meets the Eye 3-parter into live-action. It's as easy as playing connect the dots! Us oldschoolers would love it, and I'm positive the kids and casual movie-goers would love it. And I bet there wouldn't be nearly as much in-fighting within the fandom if they had said they were going for pure G1 from the get-go. Isn't G1 the reason most us are here in the fandom to begin with? You'd think fans would have more respect for it, but it seems to be in vogue to tear it down these days.
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Post by Destro on Sept 18, 2006 2:58:20 GMT -5
One thing about the toys, Destro - they'll come out about 2-3 months BEFORE the movie. Kids will want the toys because they are toys, nto because they've seen the movie. The toys are meant to get people into the theaters. You make a good point there; I guess it would be more accurate to say that kids will buy the toys and (hopefully) want to see the movie, and/or will see the movie and (hopefully) want to buy the toys (or buy more toys).
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Post by Destro on Sept 18, 2006 3:05:17 GMT -5
I'm with you 100%, Chris! This could be the greatest movie ever made if they just turned the More Than Meets the Eye 3-parter into live-action. It's as easy as playing connect the dots! Us oldschoolers would love it, and I'm positive the kids and casual movie-goers would love it. And I bet there wouldn't be nearly as much in-fighting within the fandom if they had said they were going for pure G1 from the get-go. Isn't G1 the reason most us are here in the fandom to begin with? You'd think fans would have more respect for it, but it seems to be in vogue to tear it down these days. That's exactly what I don't want; I want something new, something that hasn't been done before. I really don't know how many old schoolers would prefer that to something new...I think we'd have just as much in-fighting w/ that type of movie as we are now w/ what we're getting. I don't think bashing g1 is really the "in" thing to do; maybe for some, but I think many people see the warts g1 had and aren't wearing rose-tinted glasses when considering g1. I'm a big fan of g1; I grew up w/ it, I have some originals and some reissues and a few of the seasons on dvd. However, it's time to move on, and hopefully this movie will do that, and hopefully it'll do that correctly.
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Post by Raggletag on Sept 18, 2006 11:45:08 GMT -5
That's exactly what I don't want; I want something new, something that hasn't been done before. I really don't know how many old schoolers would prefer that to something new...I think we'd have just as much in-fighting w/ that type of movie as we are now w/ what we're getting. I don't think bashing g1 is really the "in" thing to do; maybe for some, but I think many people see the warts g1 had and aren't wearing rose-tinted glasses when considering g1. I'm a big fan of g1; I grew up w/ it, I have some originals and some reissues and a few of the seasons on dvd. However, it's time to move on, and hopefully this movie will do that, and hopefully it'll do that correctly. Well that's your opinion. I think G1 is timeless and will always be the best of any Tranformers incarnation, and I've been here for ALL those incarnations so far. I'm getting tired of this stigma that if I love G1 best to this day, that I'm wearing "rose-tinted glasses", implying I'm just liking it because of nostalgia, or that I lack sophistication for liking it. I make fun of certain aspects of the show and toyline too, but I still truly believe it's better than anything else done with the property. If certain judgemental fans think I'm "stuck in the past" for it... whatever. I've done alright for myself in life for a person living in the 80's then. And you do realize that the movie Michael Bay and cronies are making isn't really new, right? It's just the same d**ned thing, but with different character designs, a couple new characters tossed in, and a whoooole lot more human interaction. It's hardly going to be original, but just another retelling (read: rehash) of the mythos. You really think the new movie won't have any warts of its own? I can see them from a mile away.
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Post by Destro on Sept 18, 2006 13:41:19 GMT -5
Well that's your opinion. I think G1 is timeless and will always be the best of any Tranformers incarnation, and I've been here for ALL those incarnations so far. I'm getting tired of this stigma that if I love G1 best to this day, that I'm wearing "rose-tinted glasses", implying I'm just liking it because of nostalgia, or that I lack sophistication for liking it. You're putting words in my mouth; I said some people are too clouded by nostalgia to have an objective opinion. I wasn't pointing fingers at anyone in particular. If you think g1 is the best, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. My point was that there are some fans that won't give new tf lines a chance and insult those who do. For me, it has little to do w/ if g1 was the best or not; it has everything to do w/ wanting something new that creates its own name for itself. I seriously doubt that we'll get a super-original, well thought-out story, (if we did, it wouldn't be a bay film ). This is transformers, not shakespeare; there's only so much you can do w/ it. And again, you're putting words in my mouth; when did I say that I thought this movie would be perfect? I've had my own qualms about this movie from day one.
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Post by CkRtech on Sept 18, 2006 18:31:23 GMT -5
You're putting words in my mouth; I said some people are too clouded by nostalgia to have an objective opinion. I wasn't pointing fingers at anyone in particular. I think what happened was it looked like Raggletag thought perhaps it was either a blanket statement or you were indirectly pointing a figure at one person or a group of people. "Some" can mean "some" - but it can also have that tone like: "Well I want to go to the baseball game, but SOME people think I am stupid" Referring to people that are in the room but not calling them out by name. Anyway - It looks like you cleared that up.
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Post by Raggletag on Sept 18, 2006 21:13:23 GMT -5
You're putting words in my mouth; I said some people are too clouded by nostalgia to have an objective opinion. I wasn't pointing fingers at anyone in particular. If you think g1 is the best, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. My point was that there are some fans that won't give new tf lines a chance and insult those who do. I wasn't necessarily talking about you in particular, Destro, however I've seen the behavior I've describe on other message boards. But your rose-tinted glasses comment did seem like a negative remark directed towards fans like myself that mainly like G1. How do you tell which ones truly love G1 and which ones are clouded by nostalgia? I give the new lines a chance every time, and while I like a lot of the toys, I'm always completely let down with the cartoons. Same with the new IDW comics. I gave them a chance, and I think they're lame. Okay, it's new TF material, but I think it's vastly inferior TF material. So I tend to stick more to the original cartoons and comics I've seen a million times before. And I find it much more the other way around. I see people who are big into the new TF incarnations to be more judgemental of us "gee-wunners", and not so much the other way around. I usually only pick on Armada/Energon/Cybertron fans in retaliation for them picking on me first. It's possible I'm just being paranoid about some fans casting aspersions on us G1 fans... but seriously I doubt it.
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Post by CkRtech on Sept 18, 2006 21:49:36 GMT -5
It's really crazy. When Beast Wars came out, the franchise divided quickly. As more time goes by, it seems like more people are dividing over the different incarnations even more.
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Post by Raggletag on Sept 19, 2006 0:49:07 GMT -5
It's really crazy. When Beast Wars came out, the franchise divided quickly. As more time goes by, it seems like more people are dividing over the different incarnations even more. Now Beast Wars I liked! I mean I still like G1 better, but Beast Wars was definitely a quality show in my opinion. I remember things got somewhat heated when the BW show and toyline first hit the scene, but never as bad as what we're seeing with this movie.
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Post by Gunman_sr5 on Sept 19, 2006 5:39:24 GMT -5
OK guy. I am looking at this a G1 reloaded. So they show up active 20 years later then when they wher originaly reactivated. No Arc, new bodies. No biggie. We are just here to fight as factions until one side takes posetion of the Energon Cube. Could have turned out to be a normal G1 episode with how random G1 could be. I just want a new story. Nothing that has been used before. Considering Unicron has been run into the ground lately( past 20 years ).
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Post by CkRtech on Sept 19, 2006 18:43:13 GMT -5
I want a story that hasn't been used before....for new cartoons.
But for a live movie, you are saluting the cartoon - Therefore, my thoughts are different.
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Post by Bear on Sept 20, 2006 21:25:24 GMT -5
The whole movie is just another way the Hollywood left is screwing up the world.
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Post by metafeather on Sept 20, 2006 21:34:43 GMT -5
lol i cant decide if your kidding or not, but it is funny either way. lol
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Post by Bear on Sept 20, 2006 21:38:03 GMT -5
lol i cant decide if your kidding or not, but it is funny either way. lol When it comes to the Hollywood Left I never joke ;D
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Post by metafeather on Sept 20, 2006 21:40:15 GMT -5
lol does this thread need to be moved to politics??lol
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