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Post by Jo'Roq on Aug 9, 2006 19:19:20 GMT -5
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Post by s.marlinfan on Aug 9, 2006 20:47:11 GMT -5
Hasbro ran out of good ideas for TFs almost 20 years ago. This is modern TFs at it's almost worst. I mean WTF is that anyway. I know lots of fanboys are ape crazy(pardon the pun) for Beast Wars. But the Prime Monky thing looks like a bad circus act. Then the hiddious Megatron dio thing looks like a bad concept for Jurrasic Park. Thus the bitter old narrow minded G1 fan has spoken.
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Post by Destro on Aug 9, 2006 22:50:20 GMT -5
Hasbro ran out of good ideas for TFs almost 20 years ago. And very few of those ideas were even Hasbro's. I think the megs mold looks ok, just not in these colors. The primal, though..and as for hasbro running out of ideas..well, classics looks awesome.
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Post by metafeather on Aug 9, 2006 23:35:02 GMT -5
ok i may be the only one but i enjoy these very much. i am also one of the fans that feels more for BW than g1, so these are gold in my book. i also like the colors when you think of them as jungle planet versions of our favorite rivals. i didnt like these as new versions of the beast wars chars but as stand alone molds i love em and i like these colors better.
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Post by StrykerX2K on Aug 10, 2006 15:45:13 GMT -5
If you look at them in the respect that they are not BW characters, I actually like them. I am kind of surprised they grayed the area and released this as Cybertron....they are really stretching to keep product out until the Classics line hits and then the movie figures hit.....
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Post by Jo'Roq on Aug 10, 2006 20:03:25 GMT -5
I'm a big BW fan too, but I can't stand any of the "original" molds. The BW figures didn't start looking god until the Fuzors and Transmetals came out.
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Post by metafeather on Aug 10, 2006 21:03:44 GMT -5
yeah but all the original transformers in a set look bad, i mean look at G1, they were neat toys att the time but really 75% are horrible.
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Post by CkRtech on Aug 10, 2006 21:29:37 GMT -5
I disagree. There were some G1 figures that had nearly no obvious design in one form, another, or both - but the same could be said for just about every Transformers line so far. Plus - the design, ingenuity, and realistic creativity of Generation One has not been approached by today's figures.
The driving force of most of the Transformers of today is - how cheap can we make one thing that transforms from one thing to another? The realism is basically non-existent. It was thrown out quite some time ago. Colors? They don't matter. Having trouble designing a transformation? Make it bigger - OR - simply add a ball joint. Ball joints plague the transformers of today, turning them into cheap-looking skeletons. Where is the realistic creativity, I ask? Could you make the transformers look like .....something?
It seems like that with today's technology, it would be possible to create something that is complex in design yet simple to transform. Computer design can be used to work around and skip over problems encountered during the design of today's transformers. I think that rather than using technology as a tool, Hasbro/Takara have allowed it to become a magnet - The computers are being used to almost design a transformer on their own. The Hasbro creative team just keeps loading the same design, tweaking it, and releasing it. I am not saying everything looks the same, but there is no heart in what they do. There is no trial and error. If they manage to get something in the end, it is considered success.
Please! Have some dignity in what you create! Try to make something that doesn't look like.....NOTHING. The bar needs to be raised. The highest I have seen it has been in early Generation One & later Transmetal Beast Wars. Everything else from the main lines has been too far below that bar. It's sad, and I admit - it has reduced my desire to collect Transformers - no matter what line they are from.
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Post by s.marlinfan on Aug 10, 2006 22:19:19 GMT -5
Uummm... to CkRtech you listen.
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Post by Destro on Aug 11, 2006 0:15:02 GMT -5
The bar needs to be raised. It has; hastak and the fans refer to these lines as "Energon", "Cybertron", and, to a lesser extent, "Armada". The former two blow g1 out of the water. I realize this is the same argument we've had many times before, and since you already know what it is I'm not going to repeat it. Let me just say I don't see how today's toys are any cheaper than they were in g1; there is plenty of ingenuity (cybertron prime is the best prime toy ever) and there are great color schemes (prime, scourge, sideways, crumplezone, excelion, etc.). What do you mean by looking like nothing? They all look like something to me, something huggin awesome for the most part. Also, ck, what do you attribute to the fact that these three lines have sold very well, and the fact that tf's are hasbro number one line since armada?
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Post by CkRtech on Aug 11, 2006 0:47:20 GMT -5
Blow G1 out of the water? PAAAAALEAAASE! Dude - cut off everything after 1984 just to make things simpler - what does the new stuff look like? A yellow jet? A lime green tank? A.....whatever the heck Metroplex is? Lamborgini, Lancia, Datsun, Volkswagon -> Models of real cars. A walkman, a gun, an F-15, construction vehicles, emergency vehicles, etc. All of the stuff today looks like nothing! Whatever happened to robots in disguise? More than meets the eye? I thought that was the foundation on how tranformers was built. I'll pick up the first image from Transformers.com in order to be random on a critique. I mean ...what IS that? A robot? It looks like a porcupine threw up all night, and then rolled through a can of paint. PATHETIC! They're gonna have to either fire the creative team or get some people that have their heads screwed on straight before they restore my faith. As far as Hasbro's number one line since Armada - Hasbro in general isn't exactly all over the place in terms of good product. Most of the stuff I see flying off the shelves is Marvel Legends from Toy Biz and Justice League from Mattel. Not a big fan of Mattel, myself....but still. I also find it hard to believe that Transformers would pass Star Wars - but then you can only buy the same Star Wars figures so many times, right?
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Post by Destro on Aug 11, 2006 1:01:27 GMT -5
So..you're that upset bc it has a bunch of guns sticking out if it? Why don't you address any of the tf's I just mentioned?
Primus is a good choice for some of the things that are right w/ tf's today; hastak took the time to put the cities on the planet mode that are found in the comics and cybertron is an actual round ball w/ supports to hold it up (an improvement over unicron, which wasn't quite round). I fail to see what's wrong w/ this toy, as it pretty much pwns just about anything g1 ever had.
Today's tf's are often futuristic vehicles, and they're often not on earth, so that makes plenty of sense. Megatron is a racecar. SW and ss are jets. Scourge is a dragon. Those are things, aren't they?
Also, the whole "robots in disguise" shpeel never really worked out well, even in g1. The idea of "it beats walking!" (hound, I believe) is far better reasoning since in every show, including g1, the tf's are found out quite quickly and the idea of "robots in disguise" is tossed out the window. I like futuristic vehicles; if I want realistic ones, I'll buy alts.
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Post by Gunman_sr5 on Aug 11, 2006 1:06:07 GMT -5
Hasbro is on creative lock down I would say. Takara/Tommy or whatever is temporarily out of the loop for some reason. Unless it took the entire Takara design team to make MP03 and the MP04 trailer... Anyways... Hasbro is on their own. Then there is also the development of the movie stuff. So new stuff on hold until then, and milk the old stuff? Cybertron was great for a new way of doing things, but the designs where a bit odd. Repaints need to go away, but if Has/tak is sinking that much money into a mold design they have to release it a few time to get the money back. They need to rethink things, but then look at SW they just repackage stuff and it sells... I could go into several aspects, but then I would be rambling all night. So I will stop here.
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Post by Destro on Aug 11, 2006 1:12:44 GMT -5
Hasbro is on creative lock down I would say. Takara/Tommy or whatever is temporarily out of the loop for some reason. Unless it took the entire Takara design team to make MP03 and the MP04 trailer... Anyways... Hasbro is on their own. Then there is also the development of the movie stuff. So new stuff on hold until then, and milk the old stuff? Cybertron was great for a new way of doing things, but the designs where a bit odd. Repaints need to go away, but if Has/tak is sinking that much money into a mold design they have to release it a few time to get the money back. They need to rethink things, but then look at SW they just repackage stuff and it sells... I could go into several aspects, but then I would be rambling all night. So I will stop here. Cybertron odd? How so? I'd say original.. And repaints are here to stay; they've been around since g1 and they make hasbro money so they aren't going anywhere, and some of them are quite good. I think hasbro's doing just fine; they must be if there's enough interest to make a movie.. I would like to know what's going on w/ takara/tomy though; I've heard they're taking a bit of a break from tf's, but hopefully it's not too long of one..
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Post by CkRtech on Aug 11, 2006 1:12:51 GMT -5
Yeah. I wish they would just take a small break. Kinda rest a bit and then attack from a new angle.
Kinda like Jo's take on Star Trek.
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Post by Gunman_sr5 on Aug 11, 2006 1:17:00 GMT -5
Odd or original.Original is just a glorified way of saying odd. lol
Some figures where very good ideas, but Crumplezone, Brakedown, Menasaur, and posibly Metroplex. Come on!
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Post by Destro on Aug 11, 2006 1:21:08 GMT -5
Odd or original.Original is just a glorified way of saying odd. lol Some figures where very good ideas, but Crumplezone, Brakedown, Menasaur, and posibly Metroplex. Come on! Crumplezone is awesome; easily in the top 2 of cybertron, and one of my all time favorites. I haven't opened menasor yet, but his bot mode and minicon chest storage sold me on him. Metroplex has a nice bot mode and some good fan modes (admittedly his official alt mode ain't that great). Brakedown is ok.
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Post by Gunman_sr5 on Aug 11, 2006 1:26:15 GMT -5
Alt modes in my opinion need to start becomeing more lifelike. Take things back to the original concept for a while. The more I think about it clasics may be exactly what we need. Bring actual car forms into it though. Not the made up futuristic stuff. Simple to transform affordable for most kids lifelike transformers. As much as I would hate to say. G1 reinvented is what we need. Oh and for a gimic. Lets see... I need to think of a gimic.... Wait cars that turn to robots. Thats enough gimic for me.
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Post by Destro on Aug 11, 2006 1:28:11 GMT -5
Alt modes in my opinion need to start becomeing more lifelike. Take things back to the original concept for a while. The more I think about it clasics may be exactly what we need. Bring actual car forms into it though. Not the made up futuristic stuff. Simple to transform affordable for most kids lifelike transformers. As much as I would hate to say. G1 reinvented is what we need. Oh and for a gimic. Lets see... I need to think of a gimic.... Wait cars that turn to robots. Thats enough gimic for me. I can see how that would be good to tie in w/ the movie; I can deal w/ realistic cars, but I like futuristic stuff too.
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Post by Gunman_sr5 on Aug 11, 2006 1:32:18 GMT -5
All total honesty. If gimics could be droped and go back to basics. I think Transformers could outsell most toy lines, but they have to come down a bit in price. Alts are great for older collectors that can figure out how to transform them, but we definitly need a more basic version of the alts. About like we had for G1.
Side note. I hope everyone is enjoying my late night ranting.
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