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Post by Darthfather2005 on Feb 26, 2006 21:19:22 GMT -5
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Post by CkRtech on Feb 26, 2006 22:33:33 GMT -5
Oh dear.....
I wonder what the actual Scourge will look like. Palisades (for instance) would always have a great computer rendering & then the actual thing would look horrible.
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Post by Destro on Feb 26, 2006 23:20:31 GMT -5
I wanna see the soundwave one; I heard he's beatin the slag outta jazz..
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Post by CkRtech on Feb 27, 2006 0:25:50 GMT -5
Ahh no way! Soundwave was a wimp!
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Post by Destro on Feb 27, 2006 0:36:52 GMT -5
Ahh no way! Soundwave was a wimp! WAHH!?!?!?! You can't be serious.
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Post by CkRtech on Feb 27, 2006 19:00:59 GMT -5
Yeah. I'm dead serious. Soundwave was a total pushover that followed Megatron like a puppy. Any "strength" he had is only defined by old wives tales and pure fanboyism.
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Post by Destro on Feb 27, 2006 19:25:53 GMT -5
Yeah. I'm dead serious. Soundwave was a total pushover that followed Megatron like a puppy. Any "strength" he had is only defined by old wives tales and pure fanboyism. Wow, that's...wow; I can't believe that. I think someone is forgetting about, among other times, the very first episode of g1, where soundwave kicks the livin jive out of 3 autobots single-handedly on the ark. I'm sure there are more examples, but I haven't watched g1 in awhile. There is also the fact that he, along w/ shockwave, were the only logical bots the decepticons had and was crucial to any success they had, whether it be from his tapes, his energon cube-making ability, not to mention wiping the floor w/ autobots when he had to. And the whole "megatron's puppy" thing; c'mon, who was one of the first to try to take command after screamer tossed megs out of astrotrain in tftm (sw didn't even attempt to prevent that!)? SW bided his time. Sure he didn't take over, but what happened during that battle is hard to say, as we didn't get to see it.. I must say I'm surprised by that assessment ck; sw was one of the few decepticons ever shown really taking it to the autobots. Of course it was an 80's toon so in the end the good guys always won and the baddies were made fools of most of the time, but sw at least got his shots in, and that is why he is right up there w/ megs and screamer in the trio of the best g1 decepticons.
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Post by CkRtech on Feb 27, 2006 20:23:52 GMT -5
Rare was the time when Soundwave fought. He had several roles: 1: Launch tapes 2: Do what Megatron said 3: Suggest retreat This is based off the cartoon, and I think this is what we are mostly going on. How much did balance of strength change throughout G1 though? Soundwave may have had his day during the first episode, but I can't remember. Yet Brawn kicked his butt (in the foreground*) single-handedly in one episode. You can turn right around and say Brawn went down with one shot from Megatron in the movie. It's always back and forth in most scenarios. In terms of the statue itself - Jazz ranks higher in strength than Soundwave on the tec specs & Jazz is just ...well, he is just cooler than that uncharismatic bore. Ha! I think Soundwave has a very "fake" fan-following based on the coolness of his toy both back in the day & when view in retrospect now. There are people who are legit fans of him, but these people get tossed to the background when I see people type the phrase, "but..but...Soundwave could take anyone!" It happens too often for me to really respect the 'con. This is, essentially, history repeating itself on Energon Station. I still stand firmly by what I said at the end of 2004. foxyford83.proboards20.com/index.cgi?board=techreview&action=display&thread=1101872352So this is evidence that you are a fanboy - hahaha. But at least you are an educated one who has facts to backup his arguement. ----------- *foreground = I have to say that almost anything that goes on in G1 must be an event that has some sort of dialogue in it or at least an acknowledgement to who is involved in the event. Too many things happen "in the background" during episodes and even the movie that I am sure the script said "autobots and decepticons fighting" rather than "Scavenger throws Omega Supreme." There are too many animation goofs and mistakes to allow for any secondary events to make for true canon. (in my opinion)
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Post by Destro on Feb 27, 2006 20:44:52 GMT -5
Rare was the time when Soundwave fought. He had several roles: 1: Launch tapes 2: Do what Megatron said 3: Suggest retreat This is based off the cartoon, and I think this is what we are mostly going on. How much did balance of strength change throughout G1 though? Soundwave may have had his day during the first episode, but I can't remember. Yet Brawn kicked his butt (in the foreground*) single-handedly in one episode. You can turn right around and say Brawn went down with one shot from Megatron in the movie. It's always back and forth in most scenarios. In terms of the statue itself - Jazz ranks higher in strength than Soundwave on the tec specs & Jazz is just ...well, he is just cooler than that uncharismatic bore. Ha! I think Soundwave has a very "fake" fan-following based on the coolness of his toy both back in the day & when view in retrospect now. There are people who are legit fans of him, but these people get tossed to the background when I see people type the phrase, "but..but...Soundwave could take anyone!" It happens too often for me to really respect the 'con. This is, essentially, history repeating itself on Energon Station. I still stand firmly by what I said at the end of 2004. foxyford83.proboards20.com/index.cgi?board=techreview&action=display&thread=1101872352So this is evidence that you are a fanboy - hahaha. But at least you are an educated one who has facts to backup his arguement. ----------- *foreground = I have to say that almost anything that goes on in G1 must be an event that has some sort of dialogue in it or at least an acknowledgement to who is involved in the event. Too many things happen "in the background" during episodes and even the movie that I am sure the script said "autobots and decepticons fighting" rather than "Scavenger throws Omega Supreme." There are too many animation goofs and mistakes to allow for any secondary events to make for true canon. (in my opinion) I still disagree. For one, any fan of any decepticon can simply be dismissed as a "fan boy" bc every single one of them was defeated/made to look ridiculous in numerous instances of the toon, and yet there are solid followings for sw, screamer, megs, shockwave, etc. That's just the way the toons then were made. I could use the whole "suggested retreat" point for half a dozen (or more, probably) decepticons. Also, wasn't brawn also the one who shot megs w/ his own arm cannon? That's pretty humiliating too, and goes w/ my point that most, if not all 80's toon villains were incompetent most of the time. I'll admit jazz was cool, but now I think you're being the fan boy. Who did jazz ever beat? I'm fairly certain that if we took a poll of all tf fans, most would agree that sw would take out jazz w/o too much difficulty; jazz simply wasn't a main character or as popular (which, in the instance of cartoons, is often all that matters; given the up-and-down of character's strength and intelligence, anyone in g1 at any given time could beat anyone else, especially if it was an autobot taking out a decepticon). Tech specs mean nothing; most people follow the toon. Also, as I mentioned in your review thread, I never had a sw toy until about 2 years ago, so that had no bearing on my feelings toward the character. SW had the best voice, looked the coolest, had his cassette army (which were also awesome), and threw down on some 'bots from time to time, and, given my already-explained context of the 80's cartoon, is pretty darn good for a baddie. Bottom line, you're just a hater.
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Post by CkRtech on Feb 27, 2006 21:55:44 GMT -5
Nah. I actually like soundwave. But there was nothing in the cartoon to say who would when soundwave vs. jazz. (Not to mention that one battle alone in the cartoon wouldn't dictate who would win) I don't think tech specs mean nothing. You really can't draw too many conclusions on the toon due to its inconsistencies I mentioned above. I know quite a few people who have gone to the specs. Comics, cartoon, tec specs. Lots of stuff to go on. I disagree about your statement about Jazz not being important. He is Optimus Prime's "right hand man" according to the tech spec. (or perhaps the second) - when Jazz is in control of getting the Autobots ready to roll out. It's all very trivial. I'm not a fanboy of Jazz. I was making a joke. I think you're getting a bit too serious about soundwave, so i'll back off. You stand by the fact that soundwave is powerful , and I'll stick with believing Wheeljack didn't die in the movie...and we'll move on.
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Post by Darthfather2005 on Feb 27, 2006 22:11:34 GMT -5
Wow, were a little off topic now, are we not?
Destro, you know my homeboy, (Go St. Louis!), but plain and simple, Jazz is Superior, Soundwave inferior. Jazz has the coolest voice in all Transformerdome...than again, one of the best things about G1 was all the Voice work...so they are all pretty cool... Okay...well... Jazz is just plain more likable. He's they guy we all want to hang out with. Kinda of like, if your car could have a personality, you would want him to be like Jazz. (Or Angelina Jolie)
Anyway, if the statue has Jazz getting beat up by Soundwave, I will not buy it, because Jazz is one of my Homies, and probably one of my personal Favorite Characters.
Soundwave was cool, but only because of the Whole Cassette Tape novelty thing. If he did not have that cool little gimmick, no one would have gave him a second look.
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Post by CkRtech on Feb 27, 2006 22:55:25 GMT -5
I do hope we see new images of all the statues soon. ...detailed ones at that.
Both the palisades and hard hero statues haven't had anything that has made me say "oh wow! I gotta have this!"
The Megatron vs. Optimus Prime in this series is even questionable. Seeing them in person is obviously a big deal, but I just don't think the sculpters have found a good medium between beauty and the machine.
Either they are too cartoony (Hard Hero), or too much emphasis is put on the machine, gear, servo, etc. aspect of them such as the statues made by palisades.
If they could create a streamlined, mechanical yet attractive statue - I am game. In other words, they should be just like a car in terms of design. A machine that is visually appealing.
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Post by Destro on Feb 28, 2006 0:49:31 GMT -5
Nah. I actually like soundwave. But there was nothing in the cartoon to say who would when soundwave vs. jazz. (Not to mention that one battle alone in the cartoon wouldn't dictate who would win) Or vice versa, except that jazz was an autobot. My point was that the toon is usually the main point of reference for g1. The comics and tec specs are secondary. Jazz didn't get nearly as much screen time as sw, therefore, imo, there isn't as much of an attachment to him. Well, I guess you, like myself, get a little offended by the "fan boy" term, so I apologize. I think it just comes down to the fact that you can interpret the g1 toon in just about any way you want to; "80's cartoons are a certain way so this had to happen", "This guy has more screen time so he's more important", etc. You can make an argument either way for so many characters.
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Post by Jo'Roq on Feb 28, 2006 0:51:10 GMT -5
Wow, were a little off topic now, are we not? And in the meantime, Unicron was blown apart by the Death Star ..... ;D
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Post by Destro on Feb 28, 2006 0:52:21 GMT -5
Wow, were a little off topic now, are we not? Destro, you know my homeboy, (Go St. Louis!), but plain and simple, Jazz is Superior, Soundwave inferior. Jazz has the coolest voice in all Transformerdome...than again, one of the best things about G1 was all the Voice work...so they are all pretty cool... Okay...well... Jazz is just plain more likable. He's they guy we all want to hang out with. Kinda of like, if your car could have a personality, you would want him to be like Jazz. (Or Angelina Jolie) Anyway, if the statue has Jazz getting beat up by Soundwave, I will not buy it, because Jazz is one of my Homies, and probably one of my personal Favorite Characters. Soundwave was cool, but only because of the Whole Cassette Tape novelty thing. If he did not have that cool little gimmick, no one would have gave him a second look. If you want to hang out w/ a tf, it'd be jazz. If you want the 411, you go to soundwave. I will say sw had a lot more going for him then just the cassette thing; he had the best voice in g1 imo, and the toy was far superior, one of the best g1 had to offer. So yea, soundwave forever!
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