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Post by Devastator_2000 on Sept 25, 2004 16:29:19 GMT -5
We are fast approching the time to ellect our next Presadent for the next 4 years, so who do you guys want to see in office? Four more years of Bush, or is it time for a change?
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Post by Gunman_sr5 on Sept 25, 2004 17:54:26 GMT -5
Oh great... One of these threads... ![](http://img8.photobucket.com/albums/v28/gunman_sr5/10_1_121.gif) I will get into this a little later.
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Post by Jo'Roq on Sept 25, 2004 17:55:03 GMT -5
I think my current sig area speaks for that .... ;D 4 more years! ![](http://img44.photobucket.com/albums/v136/TTC_Forum/usa.gif) All I ask is that this thread NOT turn into an argument, because I may not be able to hold back long .....
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Post by Devastator_2000 on Sept 25, 2004 18:21:44 GMT -5
I dont want it to turn into a big argument either. It is just that we seem to have had a lack of topics, so I thought I would try and creat a few.
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Post by Alter_Ego on Sept 25, 2004 21:54:22 GMT -5
Bush baby! ![](http://img44.photobucket.com/albums/v136/TTC_Forum/usa.gif) I don't want to know what we would be like as a country with Kerry........
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Post by Destro on Sept 26, 2004 21:16:55 GMT -5
I would vote Bush (lesser of two evils, imo), but there is little doubt that Illinois will go democrat. I'm considering voting for Badnarik (sp), the Libertarian Party candidate.
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Post by Bear on Sept 26, 2004 22:17:13 GMT -5
4 MORE YEARS!!! ![](http://img44.photobucket.com/albums/v136/TTC_Forum/usa.gif) That says it all. Dispite what media sorces would have one think he has a clear cut plan for a greater future. I have yet to hear Kerry give any kind of plan for a Kerry administration. I just don't mean his ideas won't work. I am saying he has given absolutely no information on why he is the man for the job. It takes more then insults and induendo to lead the greatest nation in history. Allthough I could go on for hours about what I like about the Bush administration. I think what is most important to me is the fact that He has brought back Integrity, Honesty, Conviction, and Tradition back to our great nation. Things that have been missing since the Reagan years. Thanks to G.W. Bush our for fathers are looking down on the Untited States of America with a new found sence of Pride. God Bless America! and Let Freedom Ring!
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Post by CkRtech on Sept 26, 2004 23:11:52 GMT -5
Welllllll....Joroq said we shouldn't make this an arguement - which would indicate not to say something too strong.
OH WELL!
Now....regardless of if you like Bush or dislike Bush, let me say this -
Kerry is a pivotal example of selecting an utter moron for a candidate on a politcal platform that is basically creating a stance on absolutely nothing except for being anti-everything. "Anti" is the theme because gathering all the Bush-haters is the goal. Ridiculous.
If people want to vote for a new president rather than retaining the old one - fine. If people think it is time for a change...well...it could be. But the main problem is that their (dem) platform WILL work for many just because there are so many Anti-Bush people out there.
What sucks is that some of these people will blindly vote for Kerry just because they don't want Bush. Kerry could be deaf, mute & everything and they would still vote for him.
.....we need edumacation tsets to sea ivf poeple kan vot r knot!
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Post by s.marlinfan on Sept 27, 2004 18:34:10 GMT -5
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Post by Gunman_sr5 on Sept 27, 2004 19:39:24 GMT -5
Not jumping on the bandwagon, but Bush here as well. Just don't tell Kyla...
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Post by Admin on Sept 27, 2004 22:18:32 GMT -5
UMMM Honey. Just cause I aint the bog ole city of Virginia beach doesnt mean that the backwoods here in Illinois doesnt have internet connection. LOL ![](http://img8.photobucket.com/albums/v28/gunman_sr5/10_1_121.gif) Well i wont be getting in this convo. cause of the fact that i HATE both of the canidates. ![](http://img44.photobucket.com/albums/v136/TTC_Forum/usa.gif) Let some real people run for president. FIND A WOMEN LOL to all guys on this board. the above statement about the women, well disregard that.. lol.. just a sence of humor although as of now i think they could do alot better job then our last presidents
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Post by CkRtech on Sept 28, 2004 23:25:11 GMT -5
As bad as is sounds - I honestly do not believe that we have reached a point in American society where a woman candidate would get fair consideration. And that goes for those who would vote for her as well as against her.
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Post by Admin on Sept 28, 2004 23:31:29 GMT -5
That i know CK. LOL i was just using it as a joke since guys dont like that some girls are smarter then them and i think their could be a few good president women if everybody just gave them a chance..
but out of the canidates we have i dont like either of them. You can ask jeremy the moaning and groaning i did about Bush with everythign going on over seas and here in the US.
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Post by Jo'Roq on Sept 28, 2004 23:43:36 GMT -5
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Post by Alter_Ego on Sept 28, 2004 23:47:00 GMT -5
Okay guys, it is one thing to have a political discussion, it is another to actually vote. how many of you are registered and already planning to be at the polls?
I am going to do absentee voting, because I will be out of town for election day.
I am registered!
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Post by Destro on Sept 29, 2004 1:58:04 GMT -5
Okay guys, it is one thing to have a political discussion, it is another to actually vote. how many of you are registered and already planning to be at the polls? I am going to do absentee voting, because I will be out of town for election day. I am registered! yep, I'm registered. My first presidential voting experience was the last one (I voted Dubya). And, adding to Ck's point, we haven't gotten to the point where a male other than a caucasian has a real chance at winning the presidency.
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Post by Jo'Roq on Sept 29, 2004 19:28:59 GMT -5
My first presidential voting experience was the last one (I voted Dubya). My first presidential election was Clinton-Dole .... Lost big on that one .... ![](http://img44.photobucket.com/albums/v136/TTC_Forum/banghead.gif)
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Post by Jo'Roq on Sept 29, 2004 20:17:15 GMT -5
Okay, the resistance has cracked a bit .... ![](http://img44.photobucket.com/albums/v136/TTC_Forum/soap.gif) The problem with non-white candidates is that the racial voting blocks are stereotypically not open to an actual discussion of the issues. I mean no insult with the following comments, this just how I feel about the racial groups as a whole based upon experience and observation. This is not about any individuals that I know myself (many of them are actually exceptions to these descriptions), but perceptions taken from the news media and the media-popular spokesmen and activist groups. Black - Too party-line Democrat, with major ships on their shoulders that are 200 years old. They work to separate themselves socially from the other races while complaining that they are not being given a fair chance at life because of the still racist white man. As a group, its never their fault, never mind that their kids's heroes (primarily gangsta rappers) tend to actively promote the lifestyles that they turn around and say that "the man" is stereotyping them with. If a black person has success being conservative in politics and business, he is generally accused of abandoning his people and trying to "be like whitey". Hispanic - Generally mixed politically, until immigration and Mexico are brought up. As a group, they are too focused on getting benefits and pardons for illegal Mexican immigrants, and even when they are American citizens are more likely to fly the Mexican flag than the American flag. They are working to get everyone else to conform to their cultural heritage, to the point of getting Americna governments to not just acknowledge but celebrate official Mexican gocernmental and cultural holidays that have no relation to the US. Everyone else needs to learn to speak Spanish so that new immigrants and their children are not forced to learn English to live in a region where English is all but the official language. The have much of the same persecution-complex as blacks, saying that the white man is keeping them down. Asian - I have no real viewpoint on Asians as a group. I have not been in an area where the Asian community is a vocally loud group. Here it is just the usually "brainy Asian", closed-community stereotype perception. Native American - Too selfish, wanting both control of their own destiny and a government handout to get there. To much "what's in it for us?", combined with another major shoulder chip that goes back centuries. Let me reiterate, these are just generic race-as-a-group opinions. I know that there are exceptions, and I am not trying to insult any individual. These are the stereotypes and perceptions that I see getting in the way of any non-white politician running for any major public office. As far as a woman for President, I am of the general opinion that now is a very bad time to push it. Foreign policy is currently mostly focused in the Middle East, which is a majority violently patriarchal region - being forced to deal with a female in authority WILL be perceived by some groups as an insult. Am I against the idea? No. But there are some elements which should be kept in mind because they will have an effect on job performance: - Family: Is the woman a mother with younger children? Younger children NEED their mother around more than their father (though a fathe ris also very important) for healthy growth and development - it is a fact. The father becomes more influential later in a child's growth. Is there a possibility she will become pregnant (not likely given the required minimum age, bit possible)? The hormone imbalances due to pregnancy can cause wild emotional swings and unpredictable behavior. - Biology: PMS and menopause. I think the potential problems here are obvious to us all (at least from a male perspective). I am not saying that a woman CAN'T do the job, just that there are some extra variables to be considered when judging performance potential. I don't need any examples of governors or prime ministers thrown at me - I am well aware of many who were well-liked and successful in their positions. As far as current potetial and rumored female candidates go .... Hillary Clinton - She IS going to run soon, probably in 2008 after surreptitiously sabotaging Kerry so she won't have to worry about an incumbent. I pray to God she never comes anywhere close to the White House again. Condoleeza Rice - I ould like to see her at least consider it. It is only rumor for now, and she herself has said she does not have any plans for the Presidency (at least for now). I am not certain to vote for her, not by a long shot, since I do not know enough about her or her opinions to make a firm stance yet. I just think it would be an interesting endeavour. And while it's not a primary reason I would want it, I would love to see how the Democrats spin the fact that the Republican party would be the first major party to put up a BLACK WOMAN for President, given that the Republicans are supposed to be the racist, sexist, and rich white elite .... OK, off the soap box now ....
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Post by Alter_Ego on Sept 30, 2004 14:16:09 GMT -5
in response to Jo'Roq's rant.... ![](http://img44.photobucket.com/albums/v136/TTC_Forum/soap.gif) I love you, dear, but I hate getting into political discussions with you. I agree with everything you say and we still end up arguing over semantics..... I don't like to argue, and you are much more passionate about your opinions in this realm than I. I hate the "campaign season" because I don't like listening to a speech and then sticking around afterward to listen while the media tries to tell me what the speaker just said. I HATE that. I have my own set of perfectly functioning ears and a brain I can decipher my first (and second) language all by myself, thank you very much. He (Jo') likes to watch not only the speech, but the commentary also. Then he gets upset and starts griping when he hears them make some statement that he disagrees with. You know that they are going to do it, so why not turn it off? I don't like listening to you rant about things I already know and agree with. I don't want to argue politics with you, because most of the time I have nothing to argue against. We are on the same side here. PLEASE find someone else to argue with. I don't want to hear it. Thank you for posting your rant here instead of telling me. Most of this post is in preparation for tonights debates, which I have NO interest in seeing or talking about. I have already made my decision for election day and no debate will change it. (That and I don't want to listen to Kerry at all.....)
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Post by Jo'Roq on Sept 30, 2004 19:17:04 GMT -5
I have already made my decision for election day and no debate will change it. (That and I don't want to listen to Kerry at all.....) So have I. I'm just curious which version of his speeches and policies Kerry will present this week ....... ![](http://img44.photobucket.com/albums/v136/TTC_Forum/popcorn.gif)
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